FROM WELFARE STATE TO NANNY STATE: A CLASS SYSTEM OF TAXPAYERS AND TAX CONSUMERS “The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done; namely, break up the black family. That is, today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two-parent families. Historically, from the 1870s to the 1940s – depending on the city – 75 to 90 percent of black kids lived … Read More
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Aug 25, 2011 @ 13:47:32
Slavery is an abomination, families were split up and sold individually so I don’t see how this claim can be made. As far as public safety nets they do more good than harm. The only flaw I see in the systems is that they should have included education through trade schools. In our current times there are not enough jobs to be gotten in the real world. If a person had learned a trade they could have created their own work during the lean times.
Aug 25, 2011 @ 14:20:11
Many people do not marry, or they divorce because of certain “social” programs. Public safety nets are not what they were intended to be. They have become a way to enslave massive amounts of the population. Safety nets used to be family, churches, service clubs, ect. I have to agree with The Rat here Wayne.
Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:35:29
The point made was about Black people, this is speaking of a race of people who were once enslaved slaves for about two hundred years here in America.
With slavery each black human being who was a slave was the property of their owner so whole families were split up on a regular basis and sold individually as slaves. As for safety nets causing more destruction on a family of blacks than slavery had caused destruction I don’t buy that.
I would also like to see any statistics on White families or Hispanic families being split up because of these safety net programs. To chose blacks who were once enslaved to make this point without comparing them with other races makes it not credible. This is actually not a new story I have read this several times already.
Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:50:17
“Slavery is an abomination, families were split up and sold individually so I don’t see how this claim can be made.”
Of course slavery was (and is) an abomination, although I’m not sure as to which “claim” you refer. Please explain further.
“As far as public safety nets they do more good than harm.”
I somewhat agree with you, but wherever programs exist to help the disadvantaged, corruption and abuse will come knocking. While there are no easy solutions, the best remedy is open, objective oversight. Changes made to the welfare system in the late 1900’s is a good example of reexamination of a terribly abused
“The only flaw I see in the systems is that they should have included education through trade schools.social program.”
Multiple grant programs (Title 1, etc.) exist to aid the disadvantaged in attending post-secondary education programs, including trade schools. At the end of the day, I believe with as much conviction as is possible that virtually anyone in this country can achieve what he or she wants to achieve – of the proper effort is applied.
Unfortunately, decades of welfare, entitlements, and liberal groupspeak have turned this country into a nanny state wannabe. This a sad state of affairs.
Aug 25, 2011 @ 15:59:46
“As for safety nets causing more destruction on a family of blacks than slavery had caused destruction I don’t buy that.”
It isn’t the intent of the “safety nets” that I blame – it’s the results achieved by those who purposely abuse them – along with the entitlement mentality that has been drilled into these people (and others) for 50 years.
As for slavery, Wayne – it’s been over for almost 150 years. It’s time for those who are so inclined to stop using it as an excuse for failure to succeed. I can only imagine what freed slaves, and their early descendants, who worked to build lives for themselves would think of “reparations” if they came back for a visit. My guess? Embarrassment and disgust. Does one race of people in America HONESTLY believe that it suffers – 150 years later – because of SLAVERY? Ridiculous.
Aug 26, 2011 @ 00:21:50
This is what I meant by saying the claim can’t be made:
The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done; namely, break up the black family. That is, today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two-parent families. Historically, from the 1870s to the 1940s – depending on the city – 75 to 90 percent of black kids lived … Read More
Racism still exists, just because it has been 150 years does not mean it went away. The much larger cities you will not notice the racism against blacks so much as you might see in the rural communities. Slavery they had no families for the children were sold off to other slave owners.
Reparations, if you were a slave I think you would want payment for the hell and torture you’re going through better yet freedom from oppression.
I don’t know if the reparations can be made honestly for they would have to check and find records to verify every person. Look at Obama he is among many who came here directly from Africa, that means to me he should not get paid one dime of slave reparation money just because he is black..
Aug 26, 2011 @ 12:55:43
The quote regarding the welfare state doing more damage to blacks than slavery was from Walter Williams, a respected black economist.
While I understand what you’re saying, I agree with Dr. Williams. Of course, as you say, slavery was devastating to the families it affected directly – as to the breakup of families. However, once slavery ended – black families were broken up no more.
The point Williams is making is this: Decades of welfare and entitlements have helped to create a permanent mindset in many urban blacks that is being passed on generationally. With 70% of black babies being born out of wedlock, the disproportionate number of blacks in prison, the overall subcultural entitlement attitude and the collective chip on the shoulder, it’s hard to argue with him. Again, unlike the family horrors caused by slavery, the current condition is self-perpetuated, and ongoing – with no end in sight.
A final word on the silliness of “reparations.” NO blacks should be given “a dime.” It’s just as ridiculous to believe that current-day descendants of slaves deserve compensation from America anymore than Jews deserve compensation from Egypt for the bondage of their ancestors.
It’s time to end the excuses.
Aug 26, 2011 @ 14:39:23
Like I said before I don’t see how the comparison can be made without information concerning Whites,and Hispanics on aid. I also disagree with him concerning the entitlements being worse than slavery. Just because he is black makes no difference to me I disagree with him.
I understand what you’re saying.
Reparations will happen it is just a matter of time. Currently the Cherokee Nation are paying reparations to the black slaves they owned called the freedmen.
The same will happen with the US Government considering the US Govt. forced the Cherokee to pay reparations.
Paying reparations Is it right?
I really don’t see how they are going to do this considering the millions of descendents of the Black American slaves. And who are the blacks who were slaves in England and elsewhere that migrated to the US. How are they going to sort them out.
Aug 26, 2011 @ 19:04:35
There are zero people living who were directly a part of the slave trade. Under your thinking wayne, lets get the African Muslims who were rounding up free Africans so they could sell them. It is over and done. People need to stop palying the victim card.
Aug 26, 2011 @ 19:29:10
Final point here: Dr. Williams holds the belief (which I share) that as reprehensible as slavery was – the breakup up of black families caused by it ended when slavery ended.
The disintegration of urban families is an self-perpetuating, ONGOING dilemma – directly caused by those who are affected; generation after generation.
It’s my belief that reparations will NOT happen; there is no one alive who can honestly claim harm, or has been set back as a result of slavery. The thought of it is foolish – and opportunistic as well.
Aug 27, 2011 @ 00:46:36
Hey Wayne, I responded to the comment you posted on my blog…