District 3 council hopefuls beset by own money woes


District 3 council hopefuls beset by own money woes – election – Modbee.com.

Carmen will pay if he is elected? Why do you think you can choose the terms on how you will repay the debt owed? Maybe Emerson Drake stashed some cash from the pot farm he was arrested and convicted of having!

From The Bee:

Modesto voters beset by unemployment, bankruptcy or foreclosure might identify with various candidates in a heated City Council race for District 3.

Three of four men running have had money problems of their own. The fourth had some legal trouble.

Former Mayor Carmen Sabatino owes various companies and government agencies more than $207,000, including $24,650 to the city he again wants to help lead. He’ll pay up if elected, he said.

Read more: http://www.modbee.com/2011/09/24/1875964/district-3-council-hopefuls-beset.html#storylink=omni_popular#ixzz1Yz2faxIG

31 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 10:07:33

    Hilarious, John. Who knew that a retired teacher and restaurant owner would say that he’s completely broke? If he can pay his employees, surely he can fork over some of that to all his creditors. By all accounts, he’s morally and financially bankrupt. And then he has the unmitigated gall to say he’s paid off debts when The Bee called him out and said he actually hadn’t.

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  2. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 13:46:58

    The developers had a vendetta against Sabatino since he cost them plenty of money now they want Sabatino to pay for it. The news article is a hit piece and nothing more.

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  3. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 13:47:27

    I have a blog coming out explaining this.

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  4. The Conservative Hill Billy
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 18:00:54

    Hit piece? It is information on three candidates that voters should be aware of, and that The Bee has every right to publish. You can tell a lot about a person by who their friends are Wayne, and Carmen and Emerson Drake are friends. That alone is a good reason not to vote for Carmen.

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  5. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 18:14:11

    The Bee can publish what they wish, but I have no doubts its a hit piece. I don’t think Sabatino and Drake had known one another when Sabatino was Mayor of Modesto.

    Someone needs to put the developers in check Sabatino had done it before. A person doesn’t have to like a politician to agree with their opinion and politics

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  6. The Conservative Hill Billy
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 18:17:47

    Carmen may have done some good when he was mayor, but when he says he will only pay his debt to the city “if” he is elected, does not sound like somebody who should be on the council. And the stuff Carmen and Drake have spewed, there is no way he can be trusted. It looks as though he will not win any way, so this is all for not.

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  7. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 18:25:11

    Actually he really doesn’t have to worry about paying since there is a lean against his condo, the city will get the money eventually.

    If you looked into that case where he sued the city he was actually right though the Judge decided against him. If one ever sued the City of Modesto they’ll find out that Old saying is true….You don’t mess with city hall.

    The Judges will rule in favor of the city even when you show them credible proof that the city was wrong.

    This was a civil case not for sure if he was asking for money or not, if he had asked for money then that would have PO’d the Judge.

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  8. The Conservative Hill Billy
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 18:33:21

    And Wayne, the way you have been treated on Carmen’s blog site, The Swarm, by his friend Emerson, and his wife, Gaetana, does not make you stop and think Carmen might not be such a nice guy? I do business with a couple of longtime Modesto business men here, and Carmen is not always 100 percent looking out for the folks of Modesto. Just saying.

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  9. The Conservative Hill Billy
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 18:36:59

    Wayne, I see you met my friend “dudelucy” at The Journal. ‘)

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  10. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 20:05:10

    DudeLucy, on the Turlock Journal I don’t know who it is off hand. I assumed just another sock.

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  11. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 20:11:14

    Wayne, you’re a good man. With that said, I don’t understand how or why you would come to the defence of Carmen or Emerson. Those guys treat you like garbage.

    If you knew someone who owed over $200K, what would you say about that person? That they haven’t done a very good job balancing their budget. Why then would we want someone like that on the Mod City Council?

    And did you notice that Carmen still owes over $2K to MID? He’s just as bad as Emerson Drake, who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar concerning his own grow op and attempts to defraud MID.

    If you’re looking for high-quality candidates to support for public office, I sincerely urge you to look at someone other than Carmen. Small wonder why voters sent him packing in 2003 and two subsequent attempts to run for office thereafter. People don’t like him, his brand, or his reputation, and there’s probably a reason why he’s 200K in debt. Look at the fact he failed to repay the loan from his mom.

    It just doesn’t get any sleazier than that, Wayne. I think you’re not looking at the bigger picture.

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  12. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 20:17:04

    Wayne, can you ascertain that Selzer on the Turlock Journal blog is Georgie Giggles Maudlin and Terry McNeill is Sleazy E (aka Emerson Drake). George Maudlin loves to write in a confrontational manner. I think you can figure that out, Wayne.

    Anyways, I’d love to put some money on your assertion that Carmen will win the council seat. Are you really that certain, Wayne? Carmen bombed in 2003 when he got sent packing after just a single term on the council, and people soundly rejected him in his bid against Dick Monteith for the Board of Supervisors.

    Wayne, Carmen’s rants and raves are age-old. Nothing changes w’ him. It’s the same thing day after day – blame the city of Modesto, blame the developers, blame the Modesto Bee, blame Stan County. He does nothing but the blame game. Wayne, that’s why he won’t get elected. Mark my words – he’ll get 14% max, and that’s in a 4-way race. If it were a 3-way race, maybe 17% tops.

    On Election Night, let’s compare numbers and see what really goes down, Wayne. That’s a gentleman’s bet.

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  13. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 20:35:57

    I’m just saying that he still has a chance to be elected despite what feelings others have for him, this latest article by the Bee is just the beginning of their campaign to smear a candidate and I think we are all aware of how they had done this in the past with others. If Sabatino does not get elected I would hope that one of the other shills presented in the paper will take a stand against the corruption in government. I don’t see that happening.

    I kind of figured Selzer was Maudlin and noticed McNeil was attacking Augustine on the Journal for no good reason. Just wondering now….

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  14. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 25, 2011 @ 20:46:27

    No Emerson or Sabatino could come on this website and defend themselves if they wished, I can’t make or find excuses for them. But in business sometimes costs occur which cannot be paid, I believe Sabatino filed for bankruptcy on those debts from Modesto Joes.

    The Bee isn’t telling the whole story. Such as was there a lease on property they he and McGrath did not fulfill, that sounds more like it since the contract was signed and you can imagine what a downtown Modesto restaurant rental would go for. These other candidates ain’t looking so well either and they are lying themselves.

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  15. The Conservative Hill Billy
    Sep 26, 2011 @ 07:20:41

    Wayne, that is the funniest thing I have heard all month! Emerson or Carmen posting here? I know Emerson reads these post, but he would never dare post; at least not using his real ID. There is a good chance that one of those socks at The TJ is both Gaetana and Emerson. George has calmed down some, since I contacted the golf board and informed them of his behavior towards a fellow golfer.

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  16. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 26, 2011 @ 10:14:21

    I would think it would behoove them to defend any and all accusations or at least make an attempt to. When I speak on other websites I speak on my own accord so I don’t speak for them but my own personal opinion.

    GM, is definitely a sock on the Journal.Selzer.

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  17. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 11:18:57

    Wayne, I agree with most everything you shared, I just don’t comprehend why you’d get behind a recycled candidate like Carmen, given all his baggage, given that he’s a taxpayer liability, given that he loves to trash The Bee and its staff members. Why would a person like that generate any kind of empathy or support, let alone respect?

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  18. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 11:25:05

    Someone has to take a stand against the developers and the corruption in government. The other candidates will not do that. That is my reason. As for the allegations made against him by the Bee, they never presented any proof of their claims.

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  19. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 12:13:32

    But can’t those stands against developers and corruption be brought forth by a candidate that is not corrupt? As you know, Wayne, I previously ran for Modesto City Council back in 2003. Lost but still got 3,174 votes, and I did so with decency. I even congratulated my opponent ahead of the election and wrote a letter of thanks to The Bee afterwards. As for proof, have you investigated the claims made by the Bee and found them untrue? I don’t believe The Bee would put themselves in a position of liability if they did not sufficiently investigated each candidate’s background. And I say this as someone who once worked for The Bee. If you don’t believe The Bee’s reporting to be rigorously checked (which it is, trust me), then file a complaint with The Bee, or request to be a visiting editor, Wayne. You’ll find that it’s very rigorous, and the staff is very professional. I just don’t think armchair quarterbacks hold much credence or credibility if they haven’t done their due diligence, Wayne. I have – and The Bee has more credibility than unscrupulous individuals.

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  20. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 12:14:36

    If you make claims that the Bee is being untruthful, let’s see proof. I know that’s your de facto argument 24/7. If that’s your argument, Wayne, let’s see proof that The Bee is being unscrupulous. Thanks.

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  21. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 19:37:43

    CO, all I am saying is the Bee did not give a source or proof of their claim. If I could prove the Bee lied I would have posted the evidence. No I have no proof the be gave false information and on that same note the Bee did not give any proof either.

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  22. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 19:43:03

    CO, I did not know you ran for city council. You maybe referring to when I said I thought I knew who you are…..of course I don’t cyber stalk but I actually thought you were Dave Geer because at the same time you said you were going to eat a catfish sandwich at a Vietnamese Restaurant the next day the Bee showed a picture of Dave Geer at a Vietnamese Rest. Eating a Catfish sandwich, the same with 303……;-] Sorry. But no I don’t know who you are. I think you would have been a better councilman than those in office now.

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  23. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 20:18:29

    Thanks for the kinds words, Wayne. I tried my best to get on the council, and it was worth a shot. I have no regrets about it. Remember, that was the year that a certain candidate for city council (and now mayor) who spent $50,000. He even mailed out pot holders. I have nothing against him, he was the best man for the job. I just regret that I didn’t know enough people to raise $50,000. It was still a great experience. I just figure the last 7-9 years the Mod City Council has by and large let developers run the show. Wayne, do you have an email address? Mine is curiousobserver95356@hotmail.com. I’ve got some good stuff to share with you. I’ve emailed Robert Stanford and John Heaton before. Heck, even that one guy Higher_Dimension (the upside down yoga).

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  24. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 20:26:31

    Ridenour was the developers choice so they gave him more money, and it is not to your fault. At least you put yourself out there to serve your community which is a testament to your character. Look at Hawn right now a developers shill and part of the Friends Network, it does not matter who campaigns the developers will win between Hawn or Marsh who is a developer himself.

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  25. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 21:25:18

    The problem is, Wayne, I didn’t want to accept anyone’s money. I saw it as dirty money, but at some point people (including The Bee) associate campaign fundraising with the strength of a candidate. It’s too bad that candidates for public office have to rely so heavily on outside sources with special interest leanings (firefighters union, police union, realtors association, developers) in order to pay to get their message out. It’s like you don’t want to go into the hole financially to pay for campaign literature, signs, websites, etc, but if you do get elected, you spend the next 4 years trying to appease your campaign donors. It’s true whether our local elected officials like to admit it or not. It’s tough to accept developer money and then vote against a sewer annexation. Sure, the BIA (Building Industry Assn) has a right to support candidates with their platform in mind, but then you have to be careful that you don’t step on their toes.

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  26. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 21:36:02

    CO, thanks for the inside information as a candidate. I always figured if I had run for office it would be a one term suicide mission and then hopefully the voters would approve.

    Government corruption is there for the taking if one wanted to become a political whore. Glad you took a stand and you’re a better man for it. Robert Stanford took the same stand against corruption and payola, you two have a lot in common.

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  27. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 21:37:34

    CO, by the way, your link did not go through and now I have spam. But thanks anyway.

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  28. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 22:12:52

    I don’t know how you would incur spam by just writing me an email, Wayne. John has written me emails, same with Robert Stanford. They’ve never complained about spam. Anyhow, Robert was courageous in that he tried to change the system. Granted, he’s still unorthodox in his methodology, but he had the courage in doing so. He also has challenged some of his former allies in libs like Pegasus and Emerson. Same with even challenging SHansen.

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  29. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 27, 2011 @ 22:20:12

    No, I got spam, but it was good spam with pretty ladies modeling their wears. I don’t know if it was your site but when I sent you an e-mail those pictures showed up that said it was not a valid e-mail address.

    So if that was the mission then mission accomplished. Robert Stanford would have won this Mayors Election if he was able to go forward, I have no doubts. The people are fed up with the developers since the voters voted against developing 4,000 new homes and the council approved those 4,000 new homes against the voters will.

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  30. curiousobserver95356
    Sep 28, 2011 @ 07:17:07

    When did the council approve 4,000 more homes?

    On a side note, my buddy who works as a prison guard at Deuel in Tracy just bought a foreclosed/short sale home here in Modesto for $189K – it’s over 2,000 square feet and it’s first home. The house is near Big Valley Grace on Tully Road. What’s interesting is that more and more homes on the market only opens up opportunities for out-of-town investors to simply buy more homes and rent them out. So when these developers talk about, oh we want to expand the housing stock to Central Valley families, does it really work out that way? How often are these lower priced homes purchased by people who already have one home? A couple buddies of my brother who teaches history and political science at MJC do that already – they already have a house, they then troll the market looking for low priced deals. It’s well within their right, but that’s why I chuckle when these new developments go up. I’m thinking, how many of those homes will end up in the hands of an investor or a person who already has several properties and is just looking to find renters?

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  31. wayne2008sblogsite
    Sep 28, 2011 @ 12:08:08

    CO, its a buyers market. It only makes sense to buy now. There is a good chance that the housing prices will fall even lower. The Council approved the housing in the North though I doubt any houses will be built right away.

    Buy low sell high.

    My brother purchased a house last year for $80,000. This is probably going to turn out to be a once in a lifetime opportunity like it was during the last great depression.

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