My Canuck Buddy’s Take On Immigration In Canada

CO, I am re-posting your response.

I work with immigrants to Canada day in, day out. Too many of them seek welfare, bottom line. And the Canadian government has no type of litmus test for entering the country in terms of being able to speak one of the two national languages. True, in Quebec and near Ottawa (right on the border with Quebec), French is spoken. But get outside of East Ontario, the province, Quebec, and the Eastern seaboard, and French is almost never spoken.

My point all along is that the Canadian government, similar to the US, lets in far too many people who can’t speak English. Guess what happens? When these people try to get a job, unless it’s a Chinese speaking company (and there are some south of Vancouver in a city called Richmond, BC, google it please), you’re not going to get very far in life. Granted, your school-aged kids might learn English and French from the school system, but what about the parents?

Up here in British Columbia, there are 3 types of welfare for the general public available through the province: 1. Income Assistance – Employable. This gives you $610 per month. It’s for people who are able to work but can’t find work. 2. Income Assistance – People with Persistent Multiple Barriers, this is about $750 per month. 3. Income Assistance – Persons with Disabilities (PWD). This is about $906 to $946 per month. I know that tens of people are on welfare up here. In fact, there’s a state legislator up here in Surrey who’s doing a publicity stunt saying he’ll live on $610 per month. Well, that’s great and all, but to raise the $610 per month by even 10% for all the people on it, it’d cost the province about $120 million.

I have sympathy and compassion for people who are genuinely disabled, but not for people who refuse to work, say they can’t find work (really? There’s not a fast food restaurant that won’t hire them? Really?), or just find that the welfare system pays them more money than trying to find work.

And don’t forget, their Medical Service Plans (MSP) plans are often free. They also get something called a BC GST (Goods and Service Tax) rebate that comes out to about $100 per month. And if you have two children and you’re low income, you get $296 per month in something called the Child Tax Credit. See why people want to live in Canada, Wayne? It’s a very generous welfare system.

Don’t get me started on the whole 65+ system as well. We have things called Old Age Security (similar to Social Security), Guaranteed Income Supplement, etc. If you live in Canada for the full 40 years, you get $544 per month starting at 65. If you’re absolutely broke, you may also qualify for something called Guaranteed Income Supplement. That can often boost very needy seniors’ income up to about $1000-$1200 per month. In a way, the Canadian government rewards people who have never saved up. Just go broke, and the government will come bail you out.

As for the logging rights of First Nations/aboriginal types, I just get tired of the aboriginals always wanting a handout from the province or feds. They have super high rates of suicide, unemployment, depression, isolation, and very low rates of educational attainment and success. They’re a cash pit for the province – when you invest in these First Nations groups, don’t expect to see any type of return on investment

9 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. wayne2008sblogsite
    Jan 12, 2012 @ 14:03:07

    Wanting hand outs. Why are you tired of it CO, you’ve only lived in Canada for a short time?

    I think you’re missing something here, maybe you’re assuming the government doesn’t owe the ABORIGINAL tribes anything in the first place? So you’re now Australian…..;-]]


  2. wayne2008sblogsite
    Jan 12, 2012 @ 15:19:45

    Co, here lies the problem.

    I assumed that Canada had similar treaties like the United States peace treaties with the Indian Tribal Nations. I forgot how bigoted the British government can be. The Natives have only recently been allowed to have their own sovereign nations in Canada. That would also explain why they would be asking for more aid since they are just getting started and they more than likley want some of the natural resources back from the Corporations. I didn’t realize how backwards Canada is compared to the United States. The British Crown still feels entitled as they did with the American colonies..The United States in my opinion should just take Canada over and take all of the natural resources from the Royal Crown.

    Health policy
    Main article: Indian Health Transfer Policy (Canada)

    In 1995, the federal government announced the Aboriginal Right to Self-Government Policy.[121] This policy recognises that First Nations and Inuit have the constitutional right to shape their own forms of government to suit their particular historical, cultural, political and economic circumstances. The Indian Health Transfer Policy provided a framework for the assumption of control of health services by Aboriginal peoples, and set forth a developmental approach to transfer centred on self-determination in health.[122][123] Through this process, the decision to enter transfer discussions with Health Canada rests with each community. Once involved in transfer, communities can take control of health programme responsibilities at a pace determined by their individual circumstances and health management capabilities.[124] The National Aboriginal Health Organization (NAHO) incorporated in 2000, is an Aboriginal-designed and-controlled not-for-profit body in Canada that works to influence and advance the health and well-being of Aboriginal Peoples.[125]
    [edit] Political organization
    Main articles: First Nations government (Canada), Métis National Council, and Inuit Circumpolar Council

    First Nations and Inuit organisations ranged in size from band societies of a few people to multi-nation confederacies like the Iroquois. First Nations leaders from across the country formed the Assembly of First Nations, which began as the National Indian Brotherhood in 1968.[126]

    Today’s political organisations have resulted from interaction with European-style methods of government through the Federal Interlocutor for Métis and Non-Status Indians. Aboriginal political organisations throughout Canada vary in political standing, viewpoints, and reasons for forming.[127] First Nations, Métis and Inuit negotiate with the Canadian Government through Indian and Northern Affairs Canada in all affairs concerning land, entitlement, and rights.[126] The First Nation groups that operate independently do not belong to these groups.[126]


  3. curiousobserver95356
    Jan 12, 2012 @ 20:11:40

    Wayne, here’s the problem. The First Nations groups have a goal of being self-reliant, independent and prospering. Wishful thinking. They love to get cozy with provincial and fed governments. Survey after survey, study after study, shows that First Nations students tend not to graduate, tend to get into trouble, and their educational attainment is abysmally low.

    On to several other points, Wayne. The Canadian government, whether it’s provincial or federal, is very, very generous. It’s also known as a welfare state.

    This whole farce about universal health care also ties into the equation here. So there are these people who think, yeah, America needs universal health care, single payer is the way to go.

    Well, if it’s so great, then get ready to pay higher for everything up here – from real estate prices (average price of a home here in Vancouver is $700,000+). How about gas? It’s over $5 a gallon right now, 131.1 cents a liter x 3.78 liters per gallon.

    Think single payer is still great? Get ready to pay more for your liquor. It’s $16 for a six-pack of the cheapest beer up here. Like Budweiser? It’s $44 for a 24-pack.


  4. wayne2008sblogsite
    Jan 12, 2012 @ 20:19:11

    Canada sounds like it is a mess of problems. I think Canada needs to join the United States and throw off the queen’s Iron fist government and become liberated..


  5. wayne2008sblogsite
    Jan 12, 2012 @ 20:28:32

    Just so you know the Cornerstone is under new moderation,you might want to retry the Cornerstone.


  6. curiousobserver95356
    Jan 13, 2012 @ 02:20:43

    Thanks for the invitation back to the Cornerstone.

    I didn’t have a chance to complete my thoughts, my daughter’s sick right now.

    Anyhow, everything is pricier up in Canada – gas, food, sales tax of 12% in most provinces (except oil-rich Alberta, which has no provincial sales tax). My family and I pay about $3000 a year in property taxes. I fill up my gas tank twice a month b/c I’m in an urban environment. If you had an 18-gallon SUV, it’s about $92 to fill up your gas tank.

    It gets better, Wayne. There’s a government-controlled car insurance monopoly here called ICBC (Insurance Corporation of British Columbia). Yes, you read that right – government-run car insurance. I pay about $149/mo for car insurance – clean record, no accidents in my 17 years of driving. Now they’re talking about rate increases of $70 per month.

    Oh, did I mention that you still pay $128 per month for basic health coverage? It’s called Medical Service Plan (MSP). A family of 3 pays that amount (mom, dad, child). So there’s no such thing as a free lunch. And that doesn’t include vision or dental.

    If you take public transit more than one zone (outside Vancouver), it’s $4.25 each way. Within the city it’s $2.75 each way. Sure, there are monthly passes.

    All that to say, it’s very, very expensive up here. So next time you hear people laud single-payer, ask them if they realize that most things are more expensive in those single payer countries.

    Look at Norway – it’s $16 for a Big Mac meal, but they’ve got universal health care. Whoopee!


  7. wayne2008sblogsite
    Jan 13, 2012 @ 09:54:27

    CO,Having all of these so called freebies available to the Canadians, how different is life there without worrying about money. Do the Canadians enjoy the country they live in? is it a much better environment compared to the USA?


  8. The Conservative Hill Billy
    Jan 13, 2012 @ 10:28:18

    Not worrying about money? I hope you are not suggesting that the governemt should be helping people to “not worry about money.”


  9. wayne2008sblogsite
    Jan 13, 2012 @ 10:45:30

    I was saying to CO, without worrying about money..rephrase: without including anything about money. Do the Canadians enjoy the country they live in? is it a much better environment compared to the USA?


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