Palestinian: I Always Know How To Get Your Attention By A-1


Below is a response that a good blogging friend, and brother in Christ wrote to a rabid, white self loathing liberal who refuses to paint the “palestinians” as bad.

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I have posted extensively on the fact that there is no and never was any Palestinian people. Therefore the plight of this sham group of people is the result of their own illegitimate and illegal presence in the Holy land. God owns the land and he gave it to Abraham and his legitimate son Isaac. As a matter of fact he gave them the land from the Great Sea (The Mediterranean) to the Euphrates river in Iraq. So the “so called” Palestinians are trespassing and owe back rent. The Jews are not asking them to leave what is legally Jewish property, but they are not happy being squatters, they want to kill the landlord.
Don’t worry about the Palestinians, they will get what they have coming and all this will soon workout.

And yes I have know Palestinians. One of my customers was a wealthy Palestinian who lived in a mansion up on the hill above my Chevron Station. He was in the wholesale meat business. All very nice people unless the subject of Jews came up.

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  1. Carl D'Agostino
    Mar 12, 2012 @ 14:37:01

    I would disagree that the Holy Land is the God given property of the Jews. That argument is based on the Old Testament which is a book that THEY wrote claiming GOD gave THEM the land. As a non Jew that is not a very valid claim to me. We are all God’s children and all parts of the earth are to be claimed and shared by all. Jews and Arabs have the same Semitic roots with Abraham the founder of both.

    However, I would agree that there is no definable race or group that is Palestinian. Palestine was a geographic area created by the British and French after WW 1 after chopping up the Ottoman Empire. The area was inhabited by Syrians, Lebanese and Jordanians et. al. So all Palestinians(alleged) are descendants of those groups. The similar situation exists in Iraq as there is no such thing as the Iraqi people as their country was drawn up by the French/ British imperialist/colonialists regardless of ethnicity or religious branch of Islam practiced as the divided up the rest of the Ottoman Empire. . .

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  2. augustinehippo1
    Mar 12, 2012 @ 15:31:27

    Thanks Carl for you comment. The land of Israel was in fact given to the Abraham and his legitimate heir Isaac.

    .”On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, 19 the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites and the Jebusites.”
    Gen 15:18-21 (ESV)”

    He then repeated His covenant and made it an everlasting covenant..

    And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you. 8 And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.”
    Gen 17:7-8 (ESV)

    Again God repeated his covenant with Isaac

    I will be with you and will bless you, for to you and to your offspring I will give all these lands, and I will establish the oath that I swore to Abraham your father. 4 I will multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and will give to your offspring all these lands. And in your offspring all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, 5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”
    Gen 26:3-5 (ESV)

    Ishmael the illegitimate son and the other sons from later wives were driven away and not part of the Abrahamic covenant.

    Yes the OT Mosaic laws are not required of the NT Christian but the Abrahamic covenant along with the grant deed to the entire land from the Nile to the Euphrates is still as valid with the Jew as the day it was made with Abraham.

    This has to do with the Word of God, who cannot die.

    If you look at the book of Zechariah you will see the present political situation and the eventual recognition by the Jews of Jesus, as their messiah.

    1 The burden of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Thus declares the Lord, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him: 2 “Behold, I am about to make Jerusalem a cup of staggering to all the surrounding peoples. The siege of Jerusalem will also be against Judah. 3 On that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who lift it will surely hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will gather against it. 4 On that day, declares the Lord, I will strike every horse with panic, and its rider with madness. But for the sake of the house of Judah I will keep my eyes open, when I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 Then the clans of Judah shall say to themselves, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem have strength through the Lord of hosts, their God.’

    6 “On that day I will make the clans of Judah like a blazing pot in the midst of wood, like a flaming torch among sheaves. And they shall devour to the right and to the left all the surrounding peoples, while Jerusalem shall again be inhabited in its place, in Jerusalem.

    7 “And the Lord will give salvation to the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem may not surpass that of Judah. 8 On that day the Lord will protect the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them on that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the Lord, going before them. 9 And on that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

    Him Whom They Have Pierced
    10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn. 11 On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land shall mourn, each family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 and all the families that are left, each by itself, and their wives by themselves.

    Zech 12:1-14 (ESV)

    It’s all in the book, we don’t need CNN.

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  3. Carl D'Agostino
    Mar 12, 2012 @ 17:43:39

    Yes but you are using the same source that says it is so to legitimize the argument. “See is says here so it’s true” does not prove anything to non Jews and some Christians,. I did get BA and MA in religious studies but focused on psych, soc, phil, history of religion and am not as learned as you in scripture so I can appreciate your research and knowledge. I followed academic path not pastoral path. Do you have a blog about these matters? If so I will follow and engage in the discussions. Notify me. Hillbilly has my email. You may enjoy “pen and parchment” blog or it may be “parchment and pen”. Blessings.

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  4. edge of the sandbox
    Mar 12, 2012 @ 20:05:44

    What about justice for Jews from the Muslim lands? Jews lived all over the Middle East for thousands of years, sometimes longer than the current Arab inhabitants. Jews never claimed the land as their own, but when expelled (1948-1960s) left an estimated billion of dollars behind them. Nobody talks about it.

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  5. Carl D'Agostino
    Mar 13, 2012 @ 01:22:53

    Yes that is a good point. It is all so complicated. I don’t have a solution to the current problem and they are firing missiles into Israel as we speak. I don’t see any satisfactory solution for all when the extremists are so fixed on the destruction of Israel and Jewish people as a whole. Another part of God’s plan that will remain beyond me.

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  6. augustinehippo1
    Mar 13, 2012 @ 09:27:41

    Well Carl, then if you reject the authority of the bible, basically all we are left with is a, he said, she said, type of argument between the Jews and all of their neighbors. As a NT Christian I support and teach sola scriptura and the reliability of scripture. It is on this basis that I establish my worldview. I don’t think we can take a cafeteria approach to the truth claims of scripture. At the time of Christ, the cannon of the OT was well established. Jesus Himself referred to the Pentateuch as the Books of Moses many times. I don’t remember Him teaching that the Jews had fabricated the OT books in order to justify their opposition to the Roman occupation. Unless you want to throw out the NT as well, we are faced with fact that Jesus verified the claims of the OT. In fact most Christians are unaware of the fact that the second person of the trinity, the Son, in preincarnate form (Christophany), was the person who appeared to Moses in the burning bush and dictated the Pentateuch to Moses over a period of 40 days while on the top of Mt. Horeb. It was Jesus who walked with Adam in the garden, it was Jesus who had lunch with Abraham and Sarah when He told them they would have a baby at 99 yrs of age, and it was Jesus who wrestled all night with Jacob. This is verified by the story in Luke where Jesus, after His resurrection walked along with two men on the road to Emmaus.
    “Then beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He interpreted for them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.” Luke 24:27 (HCSB)
    I guess I have said all this to buttress my contention that the promise made ot Abraham with regard to the land should be accepted by all bible believing Christian.
    I would love to speak with you or anyone else on this or any other apologetic subject. Thanks for the response Carl, I love discussion with smart people as yourself.

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  7. augustinehippo1
    Mar 13, 2012 @ 11:21:35

    Well Carl, then if you reject the authority of the bible, then basically all we are left with is a, he said, she said, type of argument between the Jews and all of their neighbors. As a NT Christian I support and teach sola scriptura and the reliability of scripture. It is on this basis that I establish my worldview. I don’t think we can take a cafeteria approach to the truth claims of scripture. At the time of Christ, the cannon of the OT was well established. Jesus Himself referred to the Pentateuch as the Books of Moses many times. I don’t remember Him teaching that the Jews had fabricated the OT books in order to justify their opposition to the Roman occupation. Unless you want to throw out the NT as well, we are faced with fact that Jesus verified the claims of the OT. In fact most Christians are unaware of the fact that the second person of the trinity, the Son, in preincarnate form (Christophany), was the person who appeared to Moses in the burning bush and dictated the Pentateuch to Moses over a period of 40 days while on the top of Mt. Horeb. It was Jesus who walked with Adam in the garden, it was Jesus who had lunch with Abraham and Sarah when He told them they would have a baby at 99 yrs of age, and it was Jesus wrestled all night with Jacob. This is verified by the story in Luke where Jesus, after His resurrection walked along with two men and the road to Emmaus.
    “Then beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He interpreted for them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.” Luke 24:27 (HCSB)
    I guess I have said all this to buttress my contention that the promise made ot Abraham with regard to the land should be accepted by all bible believing Christian.
    I would love to speak with you or anyone else on this or any other apologetic subject. Thanks for the response Carl, I love discussion with smart people as yourself.
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  8. augustinehippo1
    Mar 13, 2012 @ 11:57:28

    The plan was always for God to choose the Hebrews as the people he would establish a personal relationship with. He sent the 2nd person of the Godhead to do the heavy lifting in this task. The Son set up the nation, the Mosaic law, the prophets, the priesthood etc. The nation as a whole rejected Him, throughout the OT and rebelled. He punished them and allowed them to be attacked by their enemies, and they would come running back. Then the Son came in flesh as Jesus of Nazareth, they again rejected Him and murdered Him. In 70 AD God allowed the Romans to destroy and disperse the nation, as Jesus predicted as well as the prophets. The bible also predicted that the Jews would be drawn back to the Land and in Ezekiel 37, The Valley of the Dry Bones, the prophetic rebirth of the nation of Israel is described. This happened in May 1948. As Paul points out in Romans chapter 9, God will graft the Jews back into the tree of faith along with the gentiles. He is in the process of doing that by isolating them and surrounding them with enemies, such that when He comes back and rescues them, they will finally recognize Him as the one they pierced.
    It is interesting that the Shiite Muslins in Iran are also looking for their Messiah, the 12th Imam, their Messiah who they believe has been in hiding for 1200 years. This is the motivation for the development of nuclear weapons, which they will use to provoke the Jews (the little Satan) along with the US (the great Satan) to attack them and to bring on the return of the 12th Imam.
    As an American I want my nation to be on the winning side. I believe much of the middle east will eventually be destroyed. The bible says that during the battle men’s flesh will be vaporized off their body as they stand, and the pool of blood will be up to the bridle of a horse and 200 furlong in length.

    Not a very nice situation.

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  9. Carl D'Agostino
    Mar 13, 2012 @ 13:43:57

    Yes, if your world view is based on the Bible then we are talking on 2 different planes and as a historian I try to look beyond the boundaries of the Bible. I am considered a heretic in the sense that the OT does not speak to me and I am NT driven. Yes and I cannot offer argument that the Bible must be taken as a whole and your notation of cafeteria faith would be an accurate description for a person operating within your finite framework for me so I would concede the discussion and be delighted to discuss other topics. It is not appropriate for us to discuss beyond an initial exchange on Hillbilly’s blog and for respect for his blog my email is dagostino07@gmail.com. and would invite exchanges you may initiate so we keep the matter between ourselves. My home address is 2905 Point East Dr L-106, Aventura , Florida 33160( very NE corner of Miami Dade County). Are you familiar with The Gnostic Gospels(Elaine Pagels), The Missing Gospels(Darrell Block) and Lost Christianities(Bart Ehrman) ? Blessings.

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  10. Carl D'Agostino
    May 24, 2012 @ 17:57:11

    I also enjoy the discussion. I don’t think I am so smart but somewhat educated enough to engage in the conversation. And I certainly have more questions than answers. Aren’t the people outside of the NT and OT here in the now God’s children too? Does having the OT and NT make us higher on the food chain? Are Christians and Jews elite in the eyes of God ? The Jews certainly don’t think Christians have any right to consider themselves the chosen people as well. The Puritans came to America because they felt they were the new chosen people and came to found a New Jerusalem. At least their interpretation of that.

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